Ferocious serpents in gardens?: |
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Peter Senior Member Joined: 17 Jan 2008 No. of posts: 260 View other posts by Peter |
Posted: 07 May 2009 I got called out to a house today. The poor woman that lives there has a fairly strong phobia when it comes to snakes. I have seen worse examples but she is visibly very disturbed by snakes or snake like creatures. The woman who lives at the property had told a tale on the telephone that her garden was full of snakes, and that an animal with "a zig-zag pattern on it`s back" had bitten her son on one occasion in the past. The garden is typical urban slow-worm habitat, but very unlikely to support adders, neither is it large enough to do so in my opinion, and the immediate adjoining habitat comprises of gardens that are far less hospitable to reptiles than the garden concerned. If the area in her garden does happen to be the only patch of "Grade A" habitat in the area enclosed by the houses, (I am not for one moment suggesting that it is of course) which has nothing in the way of corridors which could provide opportunities for animals to move away from the site without having to traverse considerable amounts of tarmac, would a 5meter by 5 meter area possibly be large enough to support so many animals if they could not, in addition access other areas? |
GemmaJF Admin Group Joined: 25 Jan 2003 No. of posts: 2090 View other posts by GemmaJF |
Posted: 07 May 2009 Peter sounds like a typical 'house call'. It isn't that unusual to find slow-worms concentrated like this. They likely forage in the surrounding gardens but base in the suitable habitat. I've seen abandonded properties with overgrown gardens teeming with herpetofauna. We have a medium lizard population in our garden, grass snakes and smooth newts by the dozen, in an area not much more than 30ft by 40ft. Suzi has a thriving slow worm population in her compost bins. Slow worms can and do bite. I've often heard of them being described as displaying zig zag patterns also. I expect her son got bitten playing with a slow worm and made the most of it! Gemma Fairchild, Independent Ecological Consultant |
will Senior Member Joined: 27 Feb 2007 No. of posts: 330 View other posts by will |
Posted: 08 May 2009 Hi Peter Various papers suggest between 1000 and 2000 slowworms per Ha in optimal habitat (eg under-used allotments etc). Small gardens can support good numbers. Often these populations have been introduced by enlightened gardeners / plot holders etc and then they spread to gardens of less reptile-oriented people. Basically a small area can have a high carrying capacity for slowworms. |
AGILIS Senior Member Joined: 27 Feb 2007 No. of posts: 694 View other posts by AGILIS |
Posted: 10 May 2009 SOUNDS A REAL HORROR STORY, I HAVE BEEN BITTEN IN THE PAST BY SLOWORMS, DO YOU THINK I SHOULD OPT FOR SOME SORT OF TRAUMA THERAPY KEITH LOCAL ICYNICAL CELTIC ECO WARRIOR AND FAILED DRUID |
tim hamlett Senior Member Joined: 17 Dec 2006 No. of posts: 572 View other posts by tim hamlett |
Posted: 10 May 2009 keith...i think you're beyond any sort of therapy. tim |
will Senior Member Joined: 27 Feb 2007 No. of posts: 330 View other posts by will |
Posted: 11 May 2009 this reminded me of a time when I was called out to deal with a 'snake' in a back garden in North London. Woman claimed she had been bitten by an adder, local swelling etc and had it confirmed at hospital. She had managed to kill the offending creature and put it in a jar for me to see - guess what ? a slowworm... I guess either she had got an inflammation close to the 'bite' or perhaps even had a psychosomatic response (she was snake phobic) |
herpetologic2 Senior Member Joined: 15 Jun 2004 No. of posts: 1369 View other posts by herpetologic2 |
Posted: 11 May 2009 the 27 may have been the entire population of slow-worms collected. So the area of the suitable habitat you would say is 15m2? Now my calculations may be wrong but the density of captured slow-worms would be 18000 if you extrapolate it up to a hectare! Please do tell me if I have got that wrong J Vice Chair of ARG UK - self employed consultant - visit ARG UK & Alresford Wildlife |
Vicar Senior Member Joined: 02 Sep 2004 No. of posts: 1181 View other posts by Vicar |
Posted: 11 May 2009 Your maths looks good to me Jon . Steve Langham - Chairman Surrey Amphibian & Reptile Group (SARG). |
zarozinia Member Joined: 12 Aug 2009 No. of posts: 5 View other posts by zarozinia |
Posted: 12 Aug 2009 People have such fear of what they deem to be snakes, it can be hard for us to understand at times. I like nothing better than teaching a group of people about the wonders of reptiles and seeing the looks on their faces when they first handle a friendly reptile and realise that they're not going to eat people after all. We were once called out to a house where a young gentleman was screaming out the letterbox, in terror of the snake in his garden, it was a slow worm basking in the sun on his path, poor guy was petrified. We just moved it up the street to similar habitat. |
Vicar Senior Member Joined: 02 Sep 2004 No. of posts: 1181 View other posts by Vicar |
Posted: 12 Aug 2009 Hi Zarozina & welcome to the forum ! Best forum name I've seen in years, but then I've always had a penchant for Mr Moorcock Steve Langham - Chairman Surrey Amphibian & Reptile Group (SARG). |
zarozinia Member Joined: 12 Aug 2009 No. of posts: 5 View other posts by zarozinia |
Posted: 12 Aug 2009 Thanks for the welcome.. The name is from a dual liking for Mr Moorcocks fiction and Hawkwind's music, covering the Elric series. Nice to see someone has heard of one or the other |
Peter Senior Member Joined: 17 Jan 2008 No. of posts: 260 View other posts by Peter |
Posted: 13 Aug 2009 Hi Angi, fancy seeing you here. |
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