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Stanislaw Member Joined: 08 Mar 2008 No. of posts: 32  View other posts by Stanislaw |
Posted: 21 Jul 2008 These snakes were observed in south-east Poland. We have 4 species of snakes, and only adder is venomous species. blue male:             I apologize for my english :-) |
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AGILIS Senior Member Joined: 27 Feb 2007 No. of posts: 694  View other posts by AGILIS |
Posted: 21 Jul 2008 NICE PICTURES STANISLAW.. LIKE YOUR ENGLISH MY POLISH ISNT ANY USE.WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME OF YOUR OTHER SPECIES OF SNAKE LIKE GRASS OR DICED SNAKES + SOME NATIVE POLISH LIZARDS. YOU HAVE SEEN MORE THAN ME THIS WEEK I WAS OUT LOOKING FOR ADDERS TODAY AND SEE NONE ONLY GRASS SNAKES & LIZARDS KEITH
LOCAL ICYNICAL CELTIC ECO WARRIOR AND FAILED DRUID |
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tim hamlett Senior Member Joined: 17 Dec 2006 No. of posts: 572  View other posts by tim hamlett |
Posted: 21 Jul 2008 love the photos tim |
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Stanislaw Member Joined: 08 Mar 2008 No. of posts: 32 View other posts by Stanislaw |
Posted: 22 Jul 2008 thanks I'm learning, all of this adders are from one small (about 80 individuals) population in Bieszczady mountains (beatiful place)  , I haven't seen two identical addersI apologize for my english :-) |
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armata Forum Specialist Joined: 05 Apr 2006 No. of posts: 928 View other posts by armata |
Posted: 22 Jul 2008 Good stuff, love the variety. Do you have notes on colour change over a period of time? Keep us informed of your records, very interesting. Thanks 'I get my kicks on Route 62' |
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Stanislaw Member Joined: 08 Mar 2008 No. of posts: 32 View other posts by Stanislaw |
Posted: 22 Jul 2008 I'm working on it. In adult vipers so far I have seen small changes in colouration in one female, shes zigzag becames brighter, 2 years ago she had more brown pattern, this is she (photo made this year, I don't have pic how she looked before)  Another example, male: photo made in 2007  and photo made one year later, in 2008:  I don't see differences. there are differences between juveniles and adults, especially in colouration, but now I don't have particular data about it. I apologize for my english :-) |
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armata Forum Specialist Joined: 05 Apr 2006 No. of posts: 928 View other posts by armata |
Posted: 22 Jul 2008 I have just had photos of colour change i.e. graduating to melanism from Daniel Bohle in Germany - interesting stuff. 'I get my kicks on Route 62' |
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Stanislaw Member Joined: 08 Mar 2008 No. of posts: 32 View other posts by Stanislaw |
Posted: 23 Jul 2008 Normal snake gradually become black? I've heard that almost all melanistic adders had normal colouration when they were juveniles, but there are no melanistic individuals in my population so I couldn't check it (have to look into other population). I apologize for my english :-) |
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Stanislaw Member Joined: 08 Mar 2008 No. of posts: 32 View other posts by Stanislaw |
Posted: 21 Aug 2008 few days ago I saw adder with some eye problem, pisc of snake:    and this eye:        what do you think about it? maybe she had problems with sheding? I apologize for my english :-) |
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GemmaJF Admin Group Joined: 25 Jan 2003 No. of posts: 2090  View other posts by GemmaJF |
Posted: 21 Aug 2008 Could be, I come across this fairly regularly in both adder and grass snakes. Sometmies if the spectacle doesn't come away during the shed it can become infected. Most seem to cope with it, in a couple of incidences it has been possible to carefully remove the unshed spectacle for them after checking that the eye itself was still intact, at lot depends on how long it has been going on for. It could also be an old injury, hard to tell. It looks to me that for this one there would be little one could do for it as the eye socket looks swollen as does the surrounding soft tissue, so it is very likely that it has already lost the eye and there is quite a bad infection , it will just have to cope with the one good eye if it can survive, many do cope just fine and can be seen season after season. Gemma Fairchild, Independent Ecological Consultant |
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. amazing how much colour and pattern variation there can be between different snakes of the same species.